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Uri Strauss's avatar

It seems like Huemer's argument just boils down to "under my theory of property rights, taxation is illegitimate." Which of course runs into the problem that virtually nobody accepts his theory of property rights (which I assume is Rothbardian rather than Lockean - those provisos, and the actual lineage of real-world property, would seem to make Locke at least a Georgist, and maybe a communist).

By defining theft without reference to legality or even morality, Huemer is sneaking all of his property theory into his argument inside the word "property" in a way that seems designed to let him evade his burden of defending the theory. I mean, the obvious response to "taxation is theft" is "Taxation is legal by definition. Theft is illegal by definition." And I think his response to that would be "Taxation is illegal. It's just natural law that's being violated, not government-made law. We know that there are property rights in nature. See Hermit's Spear. Taxation is consistent with the government's law by definition, but it violates natural law, and is therefore theft." Except that the claim that taxation violates natural property rights, which is the real nub of the thing, remains undemonstrated.

(Possibly I'm restating your points, Ben, or missing some nuance in Huemer's argument.)

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Paul Vigna's avatar

I know you're trying to make a reasoned point, Ben, but Huemer's argument is laughably stupid from the start: taxation is not theft because paying it *is* voluntary. The taxpayer is *not* paying their taxes without consent, which is Huemer's definition of theft. You may grumble about paying those taxes, but it is not coerced. The IRS doesn't come to your house with a gun and demand money.

Paying taxes in voluntary, full stop. Anybody is more than welcome to decide the United States is not for them, and leave. Go. If you don't want to enjoy the benefits of living in the United States, or Canada, or Italy, or anywhere, if you don't want roads to drive your Lambo on, and mail and police protecting your property, and firemen that will come and rescue your McMansion if it catches fire, and laws to protect your rights, and rights at all, if you don't want to pay some amount of your personal wealth to secure those things, then go. Get the F out of the country. Nobody's making you stay here.

Good luck finding another country that doesn't tax you, but that's not my problem. I pay my taxes, enjoy the substantial benefits of the community, and don't whine and carp about paying my taxes.

The whole argument that taxation is theft is stupid, and it's done a tremendous amount of damage to the country because it undermines the very idea of a union of people, and the people who push it are acting in bad faith. They know it's wrong, they're just being selfish brats.

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